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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://bowilliams.com/2009/05/yeah-this-government-and-union-owned-car-company-thing-is-going-to-work-out-nicely/comment-page-1/#comment-24047</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terri:  Thanks.  No attribution necessary.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terri:  Thanks.  No attribution necessary.  <img src='http://bowilliams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
		<link>http://bowilliams.com/2009/05/yeah-this-government-and-union-owned-car-company-thing-is-going-to-work-out-nicely/comment-page-1/#comment-24013</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - haven&#039;t read blogs in a few days so I&#039;m late to the game.  However, I&#039;m with Lee - that is one of the best lines EVER!!!  I only hope to be able to use it someday, fully credited of course. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; haven&#8217;t read blogs in a few days so I&#8217;m late to the game.  However, I&#8217;m with Lee &#8211; that is one of the best lines EVER!!!  I only hope to be able to use it someday, fully credited of course. <img src='http://bowilliams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://bowilliams.com/2009/05/yeah-this-government-and-union-owned-car-company-thing-is-going-to-work-out-nicely/comment-page-1/#comment-23738</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee:  Delighted.  Thanks.  :)

Greg:  I don&#039;t know.  So far as I know we just have the letter (which a quick Googling seems to reveal is going viral) and Steyn&#039;s commentary to this point.  As I said, I hope some national outlet or another takes an interest in this story and does some digging--a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of digging.

I&#039;m particularly interested in the political activities of Mr. Joseph, as well as those of the dealer to whom his stolen franchise is being given.  I&#039;m also curious about the minority-owned status of each dealership.

But I&#039;m sure I&#039;m just being irrational and paranoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee:  Delighted.  Thanks.  <img src='http://bowilliams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Greg:  I don&#8217;t know.  So far as I know we just have the letter (which a quick Googling seems to reveal is going viral) and Steyn&#8217;s commentary to this point.  As I said, I hope some national outlet or another takes an interest in this story and does some digging&#8211;a <i>lot</i> of digging.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly interested in the political activities of Mr. Joseph, as well as those of the dealer to whom his stolen franchise is being given.  I&#8217;m also curious about the minority-owned status of each dealership.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m just being irrational and paranoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 13:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awful story. Did Joseph sign personally for the debt and not protect his family&#039;s assets with a corporation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awful story. Did Joseph sign personally for the debt and not protect his family&#8217;s assets with a corporation?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Boutwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Boutwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can’t piss on the table during the soup course and then expect witty repartee during dessert.&quot;

LOL.  I&#039;m going to steal that one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t piss on the table during the soup course and then expect witty repartee during dessert.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL.  I&#8217;m going to steal that one!</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nhfalcon:  Yes, I get what you&#039;re saying about intent and tone of voice, but man, even that is only so much of a factor.  What do you make of someone who is (reportedly) consistently gentle and easygoing in person, and a belligerent jackass on the net?

Quite a few people who read WmWms have known me personally for many years, and I don&#039;t think any of them would say I&#039;m a different person here than I am face to face.  I have no interest in playing a role when I&#039;m online, and I&#039;m immediately suspicious of someone who does.  (&#039;Course, if said role-playing is up front and center--as with a themed blog or something--that&#039;s different.  But I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what&#039;s going on here.)

Why would someone do that?  Can there be an unambiguously innocuous motivation for such?

When it comes to discussing and disagreeing, I&#039;ve only got what someone gives me.  I&#039;m delighted to get into it with a civil opponent.  But if someone&#039;s going to hurl baseless epithets and stomp off at the first bump in his polemical road, then fuck him/her.  You can&#039;t piss on the table during the soup course and then expect witty repartee during dessert.  And if someone can&#039;t remember and live that pretty much all the time, then perhaps s/he needs another pastime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nhfalcon:  Yes, I get what you&#8217;re saying about intent and tone of voice, but man, even that is only so much of a factor.  What do you make of someone who is (reportedly) consistently gentle and easygoing in person, and a belligerent jackass on the net?</p>
<p>Quite a few people who read WmWms have known me personally for many years, and I don&#8217;t think any of them would say I&#8217;m a different person here than I am face to face.  I have no interest in playing a role when I&#8217;m online, and I&#8217;m immediately suspicious of someone who does.  (&#8216;Course, if said role-playing is up front and center&#8211;as with a themed blog or something&#8211;that&#8217;s different.  But I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on here.)</p>
<p>Why would someone do that?  Can there be an unambiguously innocuous motivation for such?</p>
<p>When it comes to discussing and disagreeing, I&#8217;ve only got what someone gives me.  I&#8217;m delighted to get into it with a civil opponent.  But if someone&#8217;s going to hurl baseless epithets and stomp off at the first bump in his polemical road, then fuck him/her.  You can&#8217;t piss on the table during the soup course and then expect witty repartee during dessert.  And if someone can&#8217;t remember and live that pretty much all the time, then perhaps s/he needs another pastime.</p>
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		<title>By: nhfalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>nhfalcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I remember that post.

As I&#039;ve said, it&#039;s so hard to intuit intent or tone-of-voice with the written word, and as you&#039;ve said, Chili insists he&#039;s really not that bad, and I have had a lot of good interactions with him, but GOD does he come across as just a cranky, bitter, humorless, old man sometimes!

That said, he did challenge me in a good way, so if he deigned to come back to the Eyrie, I&#039;d probably welcome him back - at least until he got pissy again. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I remember that post.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said, it&#8217;s so hard to intuit intent or tone-of-voice with the written word, and as you&#8217;ve said, Chili insists he&#8217;s really not that bad, and I have had a lot of good interactions with him, but GOD does he come across as just a cranky, bitter, humorless, old man sometimes!</p>
<p>That said, he did challenge me in a good way, so if he deigned to come back to the Eyrie, I&#8217;d probably welcome him back &#8211; at least until he got pissy again. <img src='http://bowilliams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 00:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nhfalcon:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://twoblueday.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/barack-the-magic-negro/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This post&lt;/a&gt;, particularly this sentence, took the last bit of patience I had:

&quot;I have long suspected that racism (and, without a doubt, class-ism) was one of the underlying &#039;principles&#039; of the party.&quot;

I delisted him the next day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nhfalcon:  <a href="http://twoblueday.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/barack-the-magic-negro/" rel="nofollow">This post</a>, particularly this sentence, took the last bit of patience I had:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have long suspected that racism (and, without a doubt, class-ism) was one of the underlying &#8216;principles&#8217; of the party.&#8221;</p>
<p>I delisted him the next day.</p>
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		<title>By: nhfalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>nhfalcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 00:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soory to get off the subject for a second, but I went back to the &quot;He told us right to our faces post and noticed the little &quot;disagreement&quot; with Gerry. Just out of curiosity, when was the final straw with him for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soory to get off the subject for a second, but I went back to the &#8220;He told us right to our faces post and noticed the little &#8220;disagreement&#8221; with Gerry. Just out of curiosity, when was the final straw with him for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;seester:  The grandest irony is that such practices (demonizing successful people) are &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; 180 out.  The small business owner is essentially the only person who &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; matter in our economy.  S/he is the engine.

Bob:  I can&#039;t believe we&#039;re only four months in.

Lee:  Thanks for that story.  That&#039;s a pointed way to bring it home to everyone, and an excellent (though unfortunate for you) illustration of the extended consequences of this lunacy.

Dan:  I hope some national news outlet takes an interest in Mr. Joseph&#039;s case.  There have to be some &quot;interesting&quot; circumstances here, I think.

One of the most maddening things of all here is that Obama never misrepresented what he intended to do.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://wmwmsblog.com/2008/10/hes-telling-us-right-to-our-faces/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He told us right to our faces&lt;/a&gt;.  Not enough people gave a shit.

How much longer?  How much more wealth needs to be redistributed (or destroyed outright) before there is any significant backlash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;seester:  The grandest irony is that such practices (demonizing successful people) are <i>exactly</i> 180 out.  The small business owner is essentially the only person who <i>does</i> matter in our economy.  S/he is the engine.</p>
<p>Bob:  I can&#8217;t believe we&#8217;re only four months in.</p>
<p>Lee:  Thanks for that story.  That&#8217;s a pointed way to bring it home to everyone, and an excellent (though unfortunate for you) illustration of the extended consequences of this lunacy.</p>
<p>Dan:  I hope some national news outlet takes an interest in Mr. Joseph&#8217;s case.  There have to be some &#8220;interesting&#8221; circumstances here, I think.</p>
<p>One of the most maddening things of all here is that Obama never misrepresented what he intended to do.  <a href="http://wmwmsblog.com/2008/10/hes-telling-us-right-to-our-faces/" rel="nofollow">He told us right to our faces</a>.  Not enough people gave a shit.</p>
<p>How much longer?  How much more wealth needs to be redistributed (or destroyed outright) before there is any significant backlash?</p>
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